Vermin Supreme Debate Challenge

Aleister Crowley 2012 has been challenged to a debate by perennial write-in candidate for U.S. President, Vermin Supreme.

See Mr. Supreme’s initial challenge, and our response, in the comments on our blog post about the 2008 write-in election results for U.S. President.

Coverage of Mr. Supreme’s prior campaigns:

The details of this challenge are still being negotiated. Mr. Supreme has demanded to debate directly with our candidate, but of course Aleister Crowley will only reanimate if elected. We have offered to assign a campaign representative to engage in debate via e-mail, and we have agreed upon The Boston Phoenix reporter David Bernstein to moderate and referee the debate.

Don’t miss this first coverage by Mr. Bernstein of The Boston Phoenix on the debate negotiations.

We are confident that Mr. Supreme will not back down from our offer and we have every hope of reaching a compromise with him on this important facet of the democratic process. Surely as a serious candidate, he will understand the necessity to set aside any personal differences, and come to the table without placing undue and unfair demands on our candidate, so that the American people may come to their own conclusions about which of these write-in candidates most deserves their vote.

“To bring out saliently the differences between two points-of-view is useful to both in measuring the position of each in the whole. Combat stimulates the virile or creative energy; and, like love, of which it is one form, excites the mind to an orgasm which enables it to transcend its rational dullness.”

Aleister Crowley vs Vermin Supreme

Aleister Crowley 2012 vs Vermin Supreme

About ac2012

We realize that Aleister Crowley is dead. And British. And, moreover, not running for office. Nevertheless, we believe that the most effective vote you can cast in 2012 is one for Aleister Crowley. “The absolute rule of the state shall be a function of the absolute liberty of each individual will.”
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  4. Dear ac2012,
    Yes, re-animation is costly , in terms of money, and spiritual capital.
    I understand your concern over, shooting your re-animation wad, for one debate.
    It is , of course the very mental stability of a re-animated AC, that I wish to question , and present to the American people.
    Re- animated corpses often experience terrible confusion, and
    debilitating existential angst at being brought back to the material world.
    In fact, to my knowledge, almost every experiment involving corpse re-animation has turned out badly. Until ac2012 can convince the American people , that they have the technology/magic to successfully re-animate , with mental faculties intact,
    questions will remain.

    I will concede your point, that there is nothing, in the US Constitution,
    that specifically prohibits a corpse from being elected president.

    In response :
    I will, however, be willing to debate the re-animated corpse of Jackie Coogan ,
    who portrayed Mr. Crowley in the 1960’s American television show ,
    The Addams Family

    If the re-animated corpse of Mr. Coogan is not available,
    I shall consider debating the actual non-animated corpse of Mr, Crowley .

    If Mr. Crowley’s entire corpse is not available to debate,

    I will accept, just his head , as a compromise, and show of good faith.

    In addition , to make the debate a little more interesting,
    I will allow Mr. Crowley’s remains, the use of a clairvoyant / translator ,
    and if needed , a Ouija board.

    I look forward to your response.
    I am , Vermin Supreme.
    Vote What Thou Wilt (c)

    • ac2012 says:

      Dear Mr. Supreme,

      Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

      The reality is, of course, that Aleister Crowley won’t win the election so there is no need to be concerned about the mental stability of the zombie AC. We’re rather confident, however, that he will beat all the other write-in candidates combined. No offense, nothing personal.

      We regret that our campaign is not in contact with the estate of Mr. Jackie Coogan to negotiate such a compromise proposal — a proposal which you are most generous to offer. We are therefore glad to hear that you concede the point that there is nothing in the U.S. Constitution which prohibits election of a corpse. And while we are again in your debt for having agreed to debate the non-animated corpse of Aleister Crowley, and though you have offered to debate only his head, we must again decline, since his corpse (with head) was cremated and the ashes lost.

      Sadly, Aleister Crowley lives on only through his writings.

      We are naturally concerned about the possibility of a break-down in negotiation since we have been unable to satisfy your most generous offers. Nevertheless we feel sure that you will not fail the American people who deserve to know where we both stand on the important issues of our day.

      The possibility of using a Ouija board is interesting, and may allow for a more dynamic presentation through video, but it is not likely to produce any useful results. As Aleister Crowley once wrote of the device:

      “It is not particularly easy to get the spirit of a dead man, because the human soul, being divine, is not amenable to the control of other human souls; and it is further not legitimate or desirable to do it. But what can be done is to pick up the astral remains of the dead man from the Akasha and to build them up into a concrete mind. This operation, again, is not particularly profitable.”

      Therefore we will have to stick with our original proposal, that a spokesperson from the campaign represent Aleister Crowley in this debate. In order that it may be truly representative of Crowley’s views, we will certainly attempt to offer quotation from his works to support every point made in the debate.

      Love is the law, love under will.

      Aleister Crowley 2012
      Campaign Headquarters

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